What "healthy" height do you think you should be if you weigh 82 Kilograms (180.4Lbs)?

I think it all depends on your BMI. Different people can have a bigger build and have a lot more muscle than an obese person that weighs the same amount. I would definitely relate it to a person's BMI and body fat %.

John,

Just in case you are interested, here are links to a BMI calculator and a Waist to Hip Ratio calculator. These can help you find out more about a person's health status.

BMI Calculator

Waist to Hip Ratio Calculator

Hope they help.

Hi Ian,
Thanks for the links mate but I prefer to do it in my clinic the old fashioned way -
wt in Kgs divided by Ht (mts)2=BMI and once again we physically measure hip to waist, then show them how to calculate , (.9 for men or .8 for females),it seems to get the patient more involved.

Hi People,
The waist to hip measurement is the preferred measurement for abdominal obesity but do you really know much about it or how to perform this measurement correctly??

http://www.healthcalculators.org/calculators/waist_hip.asp

Hi Readers,

Answering this question of height to weight requires looking at ethnicities as well, for instance westerners such as Australians, Americans and English to achieve their BMI of 22 they would need to be 6'4'' tall if they were not unusually muscular from hard work or gym work. Maoris and other pacific islanders have a higher muscle to fat ratio normally so they could be quite a bit shorter. Asian people have more fat at an equal weight to westerners so they would need to be even taller. An Asian man with a BMI of 22 has more fat than a westerner with a BMI of 22 and this is why they are more susceptible to diabetes 2 at a lower BMI. The recommended BMI cut off for Asian people is 23 instead of 25 as it is for westerners.

http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/downloa...Idr012=npb1xzjs

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Hi Readers,
Think about our ancestors, what do you think their BMI would have been? I think famine and feast would have prevailed so they would have been lean. Just getting enough food to survive would have occupied most of their time and great distances would have been covered in this pursuit,I think a BMI of less than what we consider normal may have been normal for this period, has anyone got any thoughts on this?

Hi Everyone,
Let us say you weigh 120 Kgs (264Lbs), you are 6' 2" (1.88Mtrs) tall, is this really a healthy weight for the height.
If for instance the heavy guy had to walk up some very steep hills for a few hours how would he compare against someone the same height but weighed 38 Kgs (84Lbs) less, OK I know what you are going to say" Let's compare him with some-one who has to lift 160Lb (73Kgs) bags of wheat all day". Funny you should say that we made comparisons like that in a factory, where i was factory manager, and the lighter guys always did better.
Where you had a single heavy lift heavier usually won, but I think banefits against deficits would put lighter a long way ahead.Wear and tear on joints would also put lighter ahead, so where is the benefit?
You also have to dispose of a lot more waste from your food because of the huge amount needed to maintain this weight, so all organs have to work much harder.
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Hi Readers,
When I wrote the first section of this I weighed 10 Kgs heavier than I do now, I knew I could lose a bit but I was not sure that I could bring my weight down from a 24.6 BMI to a 22 BMI, but I am very close now, for the past month I have been 22.6 BMI. I have frequented Gyms all of my life, not as a weight lifter but as a boxer and competitive full contact Karate player,so I have spent a lot of time on heavy bag punching etc. My point is I didn't know whether I had built extra muscle or not, and would not be able to achieve this as so many people claim. We are not as well muscled as we con ourselves into believing, and I think the old saying might be true " men look in the mirror and see Mr Universe while women look in the mirror and only see flaws". My training has been hampered by shortened Hamstrings on both legs as well as Gastrocnemius, Soleus, Tibialis Anterior so I have missed a lot of training in the past 2 months, I believe diet alone has done it for me.
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Nicely done John! Even with all the adversities, you are still able to achieve what you did. We can all use you for a little inspiration! Great job.

Thanks Ian,
I don't think it was any big deal, you know the old saying "Winners never quit, and quitters never win"

Cheers mate

I think we can all learn from that! Cheers.

Hi,

You know the next weight loss scheme may be introduced by Governments to reduce the cost of thew health burden on countries, and if it is, it will probably be something like payments to stay within your proper weight band, they could start it by introducing payments for every kilo you lose and a maintenance payment for staying at your BMI. I hope this happens, it will get rid of all of the shonks claiming miracles for incorrect advice, it will put a lot of people out of business. Bring it on.


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Pay the obese to lose weight, says study

* 21:00 09 December 2008 by Jim Giles

The focus of the next diet fad might be cash rather than carbohydrates. Kevin Volpp of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia found that obese people offered a financial reward for every kilogram shed lost more weight during a 16-week trial than those given standard diet advice.

The drawback? Like other weight-loss methods, many of the participants put the pounds back on once the programme ended. To achieve longer-lasting results the monthly payments, some totalling several hundred dollars, might have to be made for longer periods.

Volpp's results mean that obesity may join the list of social maladies that can be addressed using financial incentives. Previous experiments have shown that smokers and cocaine addicts can be weaned off their habits by paying them to stay drug-free. Incentives have also successfully been used to ensure that parents in developing countries send their children to school.

One of the biggest incentives schemes ever run in a rich nation got underway last year in New York. Over 5000 families are being studied to see if cash incentives can improve the rate at which children receive regular health check ups and adults attend work training courses.

Journal reference: Journal of the American Medical Association, vol 300, p 2631

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Does anybody know the proper weight to height ratio to dunk? I am 6 feet tall and i want to get down to 180. Do you guys think it would be possible for me to dunk at 180 or should i go lower. Also if you guys know any players that are 6 foot and can dunk could you tell me their weight? Thanks

Hi Keith Nicholas,

I don't know much about basketball other than watching The Harlem Globe Trotters I have never watched a game. It looks to me to be a game of endurance more than strength and if I am right you should attempt to get to your perfect body mass index which is around 22, you are currently 24.4.
Formula for working this out is weight in Kg 82 (180 Lbs) divided by your height in metres squared (1.83 * 1.83=3.3489) = 24.4.

Your best weight BMI 22 would be about 74Kg (162Lbs). Remember white men can't jump so give yourself every opportunity.

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Some people they ll be too tall but they look very lean some people is too short they look very fat... people should stay correct weight according to their height....


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Hi Readers,
Chubby mothers in the animal kingdom give birth tio chubby babies but if they keep their babies lean throughout childhood the babies have a very good chance of avoiding obesity.

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Fat Cells From Obese MiceFat Cell Numbers: Set by Young Adulthood

Fat cells may shrink or enlarge, but a study found that the number of fat cells adults have stays about the same throughout adulthood. How many fat cells (called adipocytes) we have appears to be determined during childhood and adolescence. After adolescence, the number of fat cells level off and remain constant, the authors found.

In the paper, Swedish researchers showed that lean individuals had fewer adipocytes than obese individualsexternal site, and that the total number for each weight category stayed constant in adults over 20 years old. Even after weight loss surgery, when calorie intake and BMI decreased, the numbers of adipocytes remained stable. The researchers also calculated the number of new fat cells. The conclusion: about 10 percent of adipocytes die and re-grow every year for adults of all body sizes.
Chubby Mother Mice Make Chubbier Children

Overweight mothers with a genetic tendency for obesity may have children who become even heavier, suggested a laboratory study – and changing the mother’s diet may break the cycle. The study looked at the effect of maternal obesity among three generations of genetically identical miceexternal site, all of which had an inclination to overeat. One group of mice ate a diet supplemented with methyl-rich nutrients that alter gene expression.

Offspring of the mice fed a standard diet weighed more in each successive generation. But by the third generation in the methyl-supplemented dieters, there was a significant decrease in body weight relative to the unsupplemented group. The authors hypothesized that the methyl supplements may affect body weight by interfering with the area of the brain that regulates appetite.

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Just curious, how long do you have to be a member/hom many posts do you need to access these tools?
Because i can't...

never2lateforpizza, those are free tools. As the page says, just sign up for free and become a member (separate from this forum) and you will gain access to all calorie calculators and exclusive nutrition guides on HealthCastle.com and receive the weekly newsletter. Just in case you still need a link, go to the member's home page and click on the "Join" link.

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Hi People,
More bad news from researchers on weight to height.

Heavy load, heavy hearts
April 16, 2009

A new wave of cardiovascular disease is looming thanks to Australia's young but bulging waistlines, writes Helen Signy.

As the childhood obesity epidemic reaches a plateau, the first hints of its long-term legacy are emerging. Now the damage done to children's hearts by obesity may even overturn the gains in heart disease made by anti-smoking campaigns.

"The biggest cause of heart attack in the young is smoking, so we have been seeing fewer heart attacks in young people," says the Scandrett Professor of Cardiology at the University of Sydney, Dr David Celermajer.

"The magnitude is hard to predict, but some of that gain is likely to be lost due to obesity."

That obesity is bad for the health is nothing new: we all know that it leads to life-shortening problems from cardiovascular disease to diabetes, liver and kidney damage and cancer.

The more fat a person has, the harder the heart has to work. It compensates for the increased body surface area by pumping harder.

Gradually, the size of the left side of the heart increases, its walls thicken and the arteries which supply it begin to stiffen.

Obesity also leads to a range of metabolic changes which increase the risk of cardiovascular disease: body fat raises cholesterol, it can result in insulin resistance and high blood pressure, and fatty plaques build up on the inside of the arteries which may eventually break off and block the supply of blood to the heart. The fat cells themselves produce hormones which affect the body's inflammatory process and damage blood vessels further.

Modelling by the University of Western Australia predicts that if today's children take the proportional increases in body mass index to adulthood, average life expectancy in Australia will drop by around two years.

However concern has so far been based on adults, with little research into how obesity directly affects children's bodies.

Now several recent studies in Australia and overseas have painted a grim picture: there is evidence that not only does obesity increase risk factors for heart disease like high blood pressure and cholesterol, but that it actually alters the physical composition of children's hearts.

Several studies have used new technology to measure the proportions of children's hearts and found those of obese children are larger.

The Children's Hospital, Westmead, recently released a study into 991 children which found the left atrium was larger in obese children, which it warned could lead to possible heart rhythm disturbances, or atrial fibrillation, in later life.

The heart's ability to pump blood also appears to be compromised, with recent evidence that the left ventricle - the major pump - is slower to untwist in obese children.

Children's arteries, too, appear to be suffering.

A US study, unveiled at last year's American Heart Association conference, used ultrasound to measure the thickness of the walls of children's arteries: it found obese children and teenagers or those with high cholesterol had artery walls as thick as those of 45-year-olds.

These children also have stiffer arteries and show earlier signs of developing atherosclerosis.

One study of very obese children conducted by the University of Western Australia and the Princess Margaret Hospital found abnormal function in the endothelial cells in their arteries: "They don't have atherosclerosis yet, but it certainly means they are at risk more so than their lean cohorts," says the study's author, University of Western Australia exercise physiologist Dr Danny Green.

It's not just physical changes to the heart that are alarming experts. The heart health of obese children is compromised by a range of risk factors from high blood pressure to high cholesterol.

New US research has shown that overweight children as young as three are showing the first signs of risk factors for cardiovascular disease, with diminished levels of HDL, or "good" blood cholesterol and higher levels of C-reactive protein, which can be a marker of inflammation associated with heart disease.

One recent large study in Perth measured risk factors for heart disease such as blood glucose, insulin and cholesterol levels in 1000 teenagers. It found that almost one third of them showed signs that could put them at risk of heart attacks in later life.

That figure was far higher than had been previously thought and, more worrying, the risk factors were detected in lean as well as overweight children.

There's mounting support for the theory that it's children's distribution of body fat, not just their BMI, which is causing problems.

By measuring children's skin folds, researchers at the University of South Australia found that more children were developing fat around the waist rather than on their arms and legs - in adults, this "central adiposity" is itself a risk factor for heart disease.

None of this means that children are going to start having heart attacks: "All we are seeing is functional changes in how the vessels are working. They're subtle signs of problems but it will take many more years before these children become symptomatic," says Dr Michael Cheung, a consultant cardiologist with the Murdoch Children's Research Institute.

However he points out that several large international studies have confirmed that young adults with cardiovascular disease are more likely to have been overweight as children.

One reason may be that obese children are more likely to grow up to be obese adults, who are therefore at greater risk of heart disease.

But what isn't yet known is whether the damage done to young hearts by obesity is reversible if they subsequently slim down in later life.

"What's clear is that being an obese adult increases your risk of heart attacks and strokes," says Dr Julian Ayer, a cardiology research fellow at the Children's Hospital at Westmead. "Because obese children are more likely to become obese adults, it's very important to deal with these issues that influence childhood obesity."

The US Academy of Pediatrics recently called for children's cholesterol to be screened from age three and for at-risk children to be treated with statins, or cholesterol lowering drugs. But in Australia, the message is centred on diet and exercise.

When Green and his colleagues at the University of Western Australia put a group of very obese children on an exercise program, their blood vessel function returned to normal in just eight weeks.

Similar results were obtained by Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney, which found that the blood vessel damage in 82 obese children was reversed with a combination of diet and exercise three times a week.

"Exercise directly affects muscle mass, fat mass, blood pressure and lipids, and artery function," says Green. "People think exercise is a good thing because it changes their risk factors, but that's a secondary effect. It has a direct effect on artery health."

There's good evidence that sustained exercise and weight control can reverse many harms wrought by obesity, such as high blood pressure, insulin resistance and fatty liver. With future heart disease a threat for many children, the message has never been more important.
Doing less, eating less

A CHILD is considered obese when his or her body weight falls above the 95th percentile of the standard growth charts; anything between the 85th and 95th percentile is considered overweight.

One-quarter of Australian children fall within these parameters.

Experts are divided over the cause: are our children eating more or exercising less?

Tim Olds, the professor of the School of Health Sciences at the University of South Australia, has studied more than 1600 reports of children's diets from the past 150 years.

While results are skewed because children aren't always accurate about what they say they eat, it appears today's children are actually eating less than children of previous decades.

They are also eating less fat, with total fat consumption down to 30 per cent of total calories from a peak of 40 per cent in the 1960s.

But today's children are snacking more between meals - something that was unheard of 50 years ago - and are eating a much bigger variety of foods, says Professor Olds.

"I think they are eating less now simply because they are less active. In the '50s and '60s kids left school early and were more active at school.

"The main driver of how much you eat is how active you are."



The message seems pretty clear we are teaching our kids to eat to much, and play to little, plus we have a lot of people deliberately muddying the water to make money from this sorry plight.

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Hi Readers,
When you are trying to reduce weight to achieve an ideal weight people should be aware of the effect of food on exercise, even 1 slice of toast contains 88 calories( for those people using Kilojoules just multiply this figure by 4.2). If for example you only walk 1 kilometre you are barely burning anything, the formula is you burn 62 calories (260.4 kilojoules) per mile (1.609 kilometres) per 100 Lbs (45.45 Kgs) of body weight, this is from Newtons second law of thermodynamics and it has stood for a couple of hundred years so I wouldn't dispute it.
The law states that it requires a certain amount of energy to move a weight over a set distance.

Say you weigh in at the welterweight limit for boxing 10stone 7 lbs (147lbs or 66.82Kg) and you only walk 1 kilometre, you will only burn 62*0.621=38.5 calories (161.7kilojoules)*1.47 (66.82kgs)=56.595 calories (237.7 kilojoules).

So there you have it, you have just burned a lousy 56.6 calories and by eating one slice of toast you have ingested 88 calories, how are you going to lose weight like that. Water contains no calories in it's normal state but it doesn't increase your metabolic rate either and fibre has been shown to have nil effect on weight loss as well in randomised scientific trials, regardless of what some manufacturers would like you to believe.

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Hi,
I have just walked down the street passing fat people everywhere. Since starting this post I have interviewed hundreds of over weight people, and guess what, they know nothing about weight control but they all think they are experts. Food advertising whether in display windows or on TV seems to rob people of their intelligence, they think they can eat all of the rubbish they desire and walk it off in a short period of time, it is impossible as their overweight statue demonstrates.

Stop eating so much, forget about diets and only eat at mealtimes, some of the advice being given is ludicrous.

If you eat a huge amount of food you MUST burn that energy up in order to remain at the correct weight for height, it is simple maths. Some of my patients have tried every diet you can name looking for a magic bullet, they have spent a fortune, and a few times the placebo effect has kicked in and they have lost some weight only to start putting it on again within months, one lady weighed 103 kgs 2 years ago, has been on 5 diets since and weighs 105 kgs now, gee those diets are a spectacular success, all she had to do was close her mouth for awhile on fresh air not food and keep walking, she lives on a farm in a beautiful valley so the aesthetics would have been fantastic.

The "Stop Eating And Start Moving Diet" is the only one I have seen with proven results.

Cheers

Hii all...
I agree with what John says..the waist to hip measurement is just the appropriate measurement.

Hi yeastinfection,
I think all measurements in health are important but some measurements convey more meaningful information, depending upon what you are looking for.

Cheers

Hi,
Is bigger really better? I don't think so.


Daily chart

Obesity in America
Battle of the bulge

Jul 13th 2009
From Economist.com
Obesity levels in America in 1998 and 2008

IT MAY be time to hide the cookie jar. Over 26% of Americans are obese, with a weight to height ratio (or body mass index) of over 30, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, a government body. Over the past ten years, waistlines have expanded in every state. In 1998 most states had a relatively trim population, with fewer than a fifth of adults obese. But since then the scales have tipped in the other direction. Now at least a quarter of adults in 32 states are obese. Mississippi is the fattest of all, with a third of its residents considered obese.
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http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgaller...ory_id=14025441

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Each company has different height/weight charts, so there is no single answer to this question. However, the height /weight charts of several companies are available on the internet, and if you do a search using insure.com and enter your height/weight, it will filter out policies you are unlikely to qualify for.

Ideal weights for 5ft2:

Small frame: 100lb-110lb
Medium frame: 110lb-120lb
Large frame: 120lb-130lb

HTH : )

Hi LEE786,
Ignore companies and manufacturers, they are policy driven to achieve a better bottom line for themselves, this is a health forum and the best advice we can get on here comes from health scientists, and they have determined BMI for people and they may or may not differ with companies, but they are the ones we use.

Let us take your examples and see how they work out, for 5ft2:

Formula = Wt in Kg divided by Ht in [M]2

Small frame they say 100lb- 110lb = 62 inches * 2.54 [centimetres]=157.48 divided by 100 = [1.5748]2 = 2.48
100 divided by 2.2 to bring to kg =45.45
Divide this by 2.48 = 18.3 researchers say this is a bit to light should be 52kg - maximum 62kg [114 -136lbs] with perfect being 22BMI =54.6kg or 120lbs.

The American Institute of Cancer Research says even huge boned Polynesians should not have a BMI of more than 23 so this would place your man at 57kg or 125.5 lbs.

So you see there is a correct answer for this, all people with a science degree will follow scientists in health matters rather than policy makers from outside of health.
Cheers and have a good day.

i was able to access them.. i think there's no time limit or criteria...

Is it really a problem for you that what should be the height for a defined range of height . Then according to me a person could have more weight, if he has a height more than according to defined weight according to age.

Hi KatherineRachel,
Are these stestions or quatements? Do you want an answer or are you making a statement?In any case I think what you have said is wrong, scientists have been working on weight to height ratios over a long period of time and have worked it out pretty well, according to me does not carry the same weight as people doing research involving large groups of people.

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Hi Guys,
Obesity is a big problem, that is getting bigger, excuse the pun. Today 1/2/010 one of the feature stories on our Australian national news said" Australian women are becoming obese at a faster rate than the known fat countries, such as America and England", why is this so?

This forum talks about weight, diet and lifestyle almost continuously, as we do in Australia, I write scientific health articles for regional publishers here in Australia, but in the popular media, including forums, we are forever seeing people write inaccurate health articles, sometimes designed to sell products other times people write areas of health such as diet and lifestyle when they do not know much about it, what they say is simply wrong.

The advice given by HealthCastle and a few other writers is accurate but most of what you read on here is manufacturer's advertising, often cut and pasted on this forum, forget this rubbish and look for facts, backed up by science, since when have you been able to trust some-one making money out of something to tell the truth when the truth might slow, or even stop sales?

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Yes,its true that height and weight all depends on your BMI.Many people not have good height but there weight is too enough.

Hi Mikeslo_Mcd,

In your own inimitable fashion you have said what I am thinking. I had lunch in a scenic cafe 2 days ago and tried to find the thin person - he/she was absent from the 70 or so in the study group.
A new category has been made for the super obese BMI over 50, I wonder what lies ahead for them.

A lot of exercise physiologists (PhD's of course) are now using a different measurement to work out caloric expenditure during physical activity.
For every litre of air you breathe in you burn 5 calories, I wonder how this relates to hyperventilation?

Also a better way to measure fat would be the scales with built in bio-impedance metre, this tells you how hydrated you are as well as how much internal fat you are carrying, and they are simple to use, just set the scale for age,sex, height, fitness level and step on with your feet damp/moist, to get a good reading.

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